tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1995185573026568076.post2564306441820428431..comments2023-06-28T05:22:48.038-04:00Comments on Heath Cline.com: Only Oregon State can save us nowHeath Clinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18246298709118406880noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1995185573026568076.post-88567355445890658872010-09-08T07:03:49.011-04:002010-09-08T07:03:49.011-04:00So in the case of Sapp, you're saying it's...So in the case of Sapp, you're saying it's ok to put up with players who are troublemakers as long as they're good enough and as long as you can keep them under control? I wonder if that's not what they're doing with Talib. He hasn't been in trouble in over a year now. <br /><br />And they're not losing now because their best players are troublemakers. They're losing because they don't have enough good players. Period. If you traded even a vintage Ronde Barber for Talib and a vintage John Lynch for Tanard Jackson, they'd still be terrible. They need a lot of players.Patrick Swayzenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1995185573026568076.post-11254861779276426472010-09-07T22:53:08.004-04:002010-09-07T22:53:08.004-04:001. They kept Sapp, because Dungy kept him under co...1. They kept Sapp, because Dungy kept him under control and getting rid of him would have been stupid. <br /><br />2. When did I say this negative trend began with Morris/Dominik? I said "recent years". You're apparently not familiar with the fact I bashed the Talib move at the time when Gruden made it. It was another example of the approach that brought in turds like Jerramy Stevens and David Boston. Guys with talent who are constant distractions aren't worth it.<br /><br />3. Talib had other issues than just drugs in college. Many teams reportedly had removed him from their draft boards altogether. The guy had just about every character red flag possible.<br /><br />4. Your last comment proves my point. Teams where the "most talented" guys are troublemakers are losing teams. That's what Tampa Bay's going to be for the foreseeable future. I never said draft chiorboys who can't play, but they need guys with character who can.Heath Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18246298709118406880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1995185573026568076.post-18280715156474604912010-09-07T16:47:19.551-04:002010-09-07T16:47:19.551-04:00Lastly, the reason it's going to be a "lo...Lastly, the reason it's going to be a "long season" is largely because of a mass of players who never got in trouble. They just can't play football very well (Michael Clayton, Marquis Cooper, Will Allen, Carnell Williams, Barrett Ruud, Alex Smith, Chris Colmer, Davin Joseph, Jeremy Trueblood, Maurice Stovall, Gaines Adams, Arron Sears, Sabby Piscitelli, Dre Moore, Dexter Jackson, etc.). Troublemakers like Talib, Tanard Jackson, and Kellen Winslow are among the most talented on the team.Patrick Swayzenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1995185573026568076.post-45531900446454758022010-09-07T16:35:28.017-04:002010-09-07T16:35:28.017-04:001. What did McKay and Dungy do when the contract W...1. What did McKay and Dungy do when the contract Wyche signed Sapp to ran out? <br /><br />2. Talib was drafted by the Allen/Gruden regime, so why are you blaming Dominik and Morris for him? <br /><br />3. It was only ever reported Talib got in trouble with drugs in college. So if his issues in the NFL have been with violence, is it any different than guys like Robinson and Webster later having issues they never had earlier?Patrick Swayzenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1995185573026568076.post-71019705306646734142010-09-07T15:48:39.953-04:002010-09-07T15:48:39.953-04:00Sam Wyche drafted Sapp, not Dungy. Of the other gu...Sam Wyche drafted Sapp, not Dungy. Of the other guys, not aware of any of them having issues on their resume when they were brought in. Ahanotu's problems occurred well after his Bucs career - how's that their fault?Heath Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18246298709118406880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1995185573026568076.post-60483499724015394022010-09-07T14:44:31.474-04:002010-09-07T14:44:31.474-04:00I'm guessing you forgot about the choir boy re...I'm guessing you forgot about the choir boy reputation of Warren Sapp before he joined the Bucs, as well as other McKay/Dungy winners like Damien Robinson, Chidi Ahanotu, and Nate Webster.Patrick Swayzenoreply@blogger.com